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From our Dark Angels Rumors Earlier
Whirl Wind AA will have the option as an upgrade and 3 different types of missile to choose before the game.
Replace both Castellan and Vengeance with Helios Missile launcher for free. Heavy 1, Twin Linked, Skyfire Interceptor
Devastators can upgrade to take flakk missiles at +5 points per model, replaces Krak and Frag options.
via Faeit 212
From the Comment Section via Anonymous Commentor
there was an iteration of playtest where you replaced only krak with flakk and was free. because there is no modelling difference, players could (without adjusting their list) swap to flakk when they saw / suspected lots of flyers.
In the end it was simplified to being an outright replacement of both for all missiles in the squad, at a cost to avoid the above. Either it's Flakk or it's Standard.
Flakk have also (as a whole) been reduced in effectiveness as they were Imperium only, and the GW designer involvement wanted to steer away from the Imperium having all the tricks.
If you want to take out flyers, you need to either run flyers yourself or dedicated units / vehicles that are ground to air.
This levels the playing field for all races who will each get at least 1 flyer, and 1 ground to air unit that can semi-function ground to ground.
Infantry just don't do that well against Flyers.
I think guard will get more use out of Flakk than Marines.
The Tempest which can come in squadrons and is cheaper than a storm talon though less versatile do an excellent job at shooting down Night/Doom Scythes.
Sorry no Storm Talon or Storm Raven for DA.
And the Helios' interceptor rule makes it really solid, since unlike the Hydra it can still shoot at light armor in the event that there's no flyers (or shoot light armor, then again in the enemy's movement phase).
Also, it can be taken as 1-3 vehicle squadron for 1 Heavy Support.
Separate Anonymous Comment
(in response to the why the tempest?)
It's no different than the Vendetta/Valkyrie or the Hydra for Imperial Guard.
It's also plastic, which makes it more available.
(For the Hyperios whirlwind it's just a different set of warheads you can glue or magnet in).
Beyond that there are still two new, unique units which are very cool
From our Dark Angels Rumors Earlier
Whirl Wind AA will have the option as an upgrade and 3 different types of missile to choose before the game.
Replace both Castellan and Vengeance with Helios Missile launcher for free. Heavy 1, Twin Linked, Skyfire Interceptor
Devastators can upgrade to take flakk missiles at +5 points per model, replaces Krak and Frag options.
via Faeit 212
From the Comment Section via Anonymous Commentor
there was an iteration of playtest where you replaced only krak with flakk and was free. because there is no modelling difference, players could (without adjusting their list) swap to flakk when they saw / suspected lots of flyers.
In the end it was simplified to being an outright replacement of both for all missiles in the squad, at a cost to avoid the above. Either it's Flakk or it's Standard.
Flakk have also (as a whole) been reduced in effectiveness as they were Imperium only, and the GW designer involvement wanted to steer away from the Imperium having all the tricks.
If you want to take out flyers, you need to either run flyers yourself or dedicated units / vehicles that are ground to air.
This levels the playing field for all races who will each get at least 1 flyer, and 1 ground to air unit that can semi-function ground to ground.
Infantry just don't do that well against Flyers.
I think guard will get more use out of Flakk than Marines.
The Tempest which can come in squadrons and is cheaper than a storm talon though less versatile do an excellent job at shooting down Night/Doom Scythes.
Sorry no Storm Talon or Storm Raven for DA.
And the Helios' interceptor rule makes it really solid, since unlike the Hydra it can still shoot at light armor in the event that there's no flyers (or shoot light armor, then again in the enemy's movement phase).
Also, it can be taken as 1-3 vehicle squadron for 1 Heavy Support.
Separate Anonymous Comment
(in response to the why the tempest?)
It's no different than the Vendetta/Valkyrie or the Hydra for Imperial Guard.
It's also plastic, which makes it more available.
(For the Hyperios whirlwind it's just a different set of warheads you can glue or magnet in).
Beyond that there are still two new, unique units which are very cool
Инфа о флаках, если честно, немного опечалила. Особенно отмазки, что мол флаки есть только у имперцев, типа не дадим им их поэтому. Особенно учитывая, что сильные летуны на данный момент также есть только у ИГ.
ОтветитьУдалитьТемпест сквадронами - это хорошо, выход пластиковой модели Темпеста - это тоже хорошо :) ДА доступность онли - это плохо.
Про пластиковый транспортник от ГВ для СМ ничего не слышно подробнее? Хотелось бы конечно Штормигл в пластике, но это маловероятно.
На самом деле, если флаки заменяют стандартные ракеты, то они нахуй не нужны .
ОтветитьУдалитьКонечно, шторм игла не будет, нафиг его делал форджа. На 2013 год анонсировано 2 новых танка для СМ, пво, новая пушка (видимо только для классики), и авенджер, это или танк или флайер, а вот какой никто не знает. Вообще транспортник не нужен, есть игл, нужен сербезный ганшип, талон на эту роль не идет.
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УдалитьНа самом деле, если флаки заменяют стандартные ракеты, то они нахуй не нужны .
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Согласен. Особенно меня в этом повеселило то, что сначала они тестили флаки-как-третью-опцию ракет, но потом отказались. Похоже, что летунам плохо приходилось, вот и решили сделать финт ушами :)
Меня танки для СМ не особо интересуют, из-за специфики выбранной армии :) Уже и так прехехерси форджовые предаторы и безассолтный ЛР ждут очереди на сборку. Чего-то новоизобретенного не хочется. Это я Талону исключение сделал.
Объективный минус Талона, на мой взгляд только один - всего 2 ХП, это конечно его совсем картонным делает :(
Не верь всему, что написано, это слова тестеров, а не ГВ. Не известно, что в итоге будет. Мой знакомый говорит, чтобы я не паниковал, что все ок, просто дождаться наго фака.
УдалитьА талон не новоизобретенный по ходу, если я правильно понял.
На самом деле, у маров полно пво: мортисы, гелиос батери, все лры (машин спириты новому мы всегда попадает по родному БСу), талоны, иглы, - вполне клевое пво